With the approach of cyclocross and disc brakes making their way to market, I started looking for options. I'm not sure I'm ready to go to one of the converters on the market like the Hope V-Twin or TRP Parabox, maybe sometime soon, but not yet.
The Avid BB7 road and BB5 road are both fine, they really do their job well. But they've been around for quite some time and have gone (mostly) without a challenger. At the North American Handmade Bicycle Show this year, Independent Fabrication came in with a Ti Factory Lightweight disc cyclocross bike to show sporting the Hayes CX-5 mated to Shimano levers.
Mounting up the CX-5 was only slightly more difficult than the BB7, which is to say pretty darn easy. Since you can adjust cable tension with the barrel adjuster as well as pad contact on the back side of the caliper all you really need to do is get them set up close initially and use the brake's own adjustments to dial them in.
Herein lies the major difference in setup between the BB7 and CX-5, the BB7 has a dial that's adjusted by hand where the CX-5 needs a 5mm allen. Certainly not the end of the world, but I think it's noteworthy.
The first item of note when riding the CX-5 is how smooth they are. The BB7 almost feels as though it has something dragging on the brake cable versus a Gore Sealed system for the CX-5. The power isn't better on one than the other once the pads are broken in, so that's a wash. I also wouldn't say modulation is any better with one than the other since they are both really quite nice.
My personal opinion is that the CX-5 looks a little nicer. The silver polished finish with etched logos looks great and will match any gruppo well. I think this brake on a Ti or stainless bike would be exceptional.
The stock BB7 I have in the store weighed in at 165g without hardware, the CX-5 came in at 190g without hardware. The BB7 uses CPS washers from Avid that the CX-5 doesn't use, but I'd guess the BB7 would still weigh in a hair less.
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Friday, July 27, 2012
Saturday, July 21, 2012
New Review: 2013 Felt F65x Disc Cyclocross Bike
You heard it here first, disc brakes are awesome for cyclocross. OK, maybe not FIRST, but I've been pushing for disc since about 2008, but the frame and fork selection was lacking. Currently components are catching on, but now they're behind the frames. With many manufacturers rolling out brand new carbon CX frames this year to add to their current aluminum setups, and component manufacturers flashing a glimpse here and there of hydraulic setups, we know this is the way of the future.
For my first full-fledged attempt at disc CX I went with the Felt F65x. Why? It's the best thing that's readily available without going custom. The frame is very similar to the F55x, so I know it'll handle well. The geometry is dialed for me, so much so that my Independent Fabrication Cross Jester is based on the stock 57cm Felt cross bikes.
There's a lot going on with this build, so I'm going to take this in multiple entries. First, let's cover the bike, we'll cover the pros and cons of the build next, and later cover the performance advantages and disadvantages.
The F65x isn't the lightest bike I've ever owned, but with alloy clinchers, disc brakes, alloy cockpit, a Quarq, 2012 SRAM Red, bottle cage, computer mount, and set up tubeless this bike still came in under 19lbs. I assume a carbon equivalent with some light race wheels will come in around 17lbs, give or take.
The stock bike comes with a SRAM Apex/Rival build, Felt CX3R wheels, Avid BB5 brakes, and a nice SRAM S300 BB30 crankset. The rear is spaced at 135mm, exactly what I think will be the de facto spacing. The build is solid, and probably better than I would expect for a $1750 bike with such a nice frame.
The stock fork is a super-beefy Felt UHC model which offering some really great stiffness and a better than average ride quality. Off-road the bike tracks very well, though when overgeared and sprinting on the road I am able to make the rotors rub the pads occasionally. At some point down the road, I'll be giving the ENVE Disc CX fork a try.
Off the bat I clearly made a number of changes. The 2012 SRAM Red is probably one of the first things many people will notice. I'm smitten with it, but you can read my review on it here. The addition of a Quarq was of course necessary since I'm numbers-driven, but it's a swap from my other bike anyway. Seatpost became a Thomson because I just flat out trust their work. The stem is currently a Zipp Service Course SL until a Thomson Elite X2 comes in, and the bars are Zipp SLC2 Short and Shallow which have been with me for 3 years and on countless bikes.
I kept the stock BB5 brakes on board, primarily because I forgot to bring the BB7's in when building the bike. So far, the performance has been extraordinary.
Now let's talk about the wheel swap. I wanted to keep this build "reasonable", other than the Quarq and Red of course. I wanted to come up with a wheelset that can be put onto the stock bike and shed a nice chunk of weight, provide a huge performance benefit, and offer the best tubeless compatibility. I've been using Stan's wheels since I started in mountain biking and have loved them ever since. This year I managed to ruin a few sets of rims, but I'm chalking it up to bad luck. From 2005-2011 I used either the 355 or Crest rim from Stan's with nary an issue. In 2012 I ruined 5 total rims. Bad luck or bad product? I don't know, but since that bad streak I'm back to pure gold with them.
Here's the beauty of the stock Crest wheelset: for $530 you get a 1575g claimed (we've measured them to be far lower, but never higher) wheelset which shaves a full pound from the stock Felt CX3R wheelset. The Crest internal rim width is 21mm vs the stock wheels roughly 17mm width, which means much better grip from your tires. If you aren't familiar with why wide rims are better, check here. The final HUGE bonus? Tubeless compatibility.
I'll cover the swap more in an upcoming post, but there is one positive that's coming close to being a negative: the wide rims have turned my Clement Crusade PDX 33 tires into a 37c monster! The grip is out of this world from a knobby 37c CX tire, but clearance is an issue. The fork is fine, tons of room. The rear seatstays are begging a 40c tire, but the clearance around the chainstays is tight with a tire this big.
The driveside chainstay on the F65x with the 33c tires and Crest rims is about 5-7mm or so. Clearance on the non-driveside chainstay is about 4mm or so. I'm fine with the clearance on the driveside until it gets really nasty, but it's close on the non-driveside. Of course, the bike comes stock with 32c tires on standard-width rims and offers ample clearance. It's not until you really push into a tire that's measuring over 37mm that clearance is even something to look at.
There are a couple of solutions to this:
1. Ride away. I gave the bike a few hard corners and a number of over-geared road sprints and never got the tire to rub. The photos make it look slightly worse than it is, but so far it's been fine.
2. Run a 32c tire. There are plenty out there, but the PDX is a favorite of mine.
3. Stan's probably has the best solution, the Iron Cross wheelset. Coming in about a mm more narrow, I think that'll offer the breathing room to make me feel just fine about running this wheel/tire combo on this frame. Plus, the name Iron Cross is just so damned good, you know!?
Tubeless setup with the Clement PDX, though not necessarily endorsed by Clement, was a breeze. Literally, mount one side of the tire, toss some sealant in, mount the other side, inflate. It was as fast as installing a tire with a tube. Now you can run lower pressure without worrying about a pinch-flat, get better traction, and severely reduce the likelihood of a flat.
There you have it. Disc CX is here and it's awesome. Review on the performance from the brakes and the wheels are coming soon. Until then, act now and get a disc CX bike. Before you know it manufacturers will have tons of wheel options for tubeless and tubular, the brake options will be plenty, and you'll wonder why we didn't make the transition sooner.....damn you UCI!
For my first full-fledged attempt at disc CX I went with the Felt F65x. Why? It's the best thing that's readily available without going custom. The frame is very similar to the F55x, so I know it'll handle well. The geometry is dialed for me, so much so that my Independent Fabrication Cross Jester is based on the stock 57cm Felt cross bikes.
There's a lot going on with this build, so I'm going to take this in multiple entries. First, let's cover the bike, we'll cover the pros and cons of the build next, and later cover the performance advantages and disadvantages.
The F65x isn't the lightest bike I've ever owned, but with alloy clinchers, disc brakes, alloy cockpit, a Quarq, 2012 SRAM Red, bottle cage, computer mount, and set up tubeless this bike still came in under 19lbs. I assume a carbon equivalent with some light race wheels will come in around 17lbs, give or take.
The stock bike comes with a SRAM Apex/Rival build, Felt CX3R wheels, Avid BB5 brakes, and a nice SRAM S300 BB30 crankset. The rear is spaced at 135mm, exactly what I think will be the de facto spacing. The build is solid, and probably better than I would expect for a $1750 bike with such a nice frame.
The stock fork is a super-beefy Felt UHC model which offering some really great stiffness and a better than average ride quality. Off-road the bike tracks very well, though when overgeared and sprinting on the road I am able to make the rotors rub the pads occasionally. At some point down the road, I'll be giving the ENVE Disc CX fork a try.
Off the bat I clearly made a number of changes. The 2012 SRAM Red is probably one of the first things many people will notice. I'm smitten with it, but you can read my review on it here. The addition of a Quarq was of course necessary since I'm numbers-driven, but it's a swap from my other bike anyway. Seatpost became a Thomson because I just flat out trust their work. The stem is currently a Zipp Service Course SL until a Thomson Elite X2 comes in, and the bars are Zipp SLC2 Short and Shallow which have been with me for 3 years and on countless bikes.
I kept the stock BB5 brakes on board, primarily because I forgot to bring the BB7's in when building the bike. So far, the performance has been extraordinary.
Now let's talk about the wheel swap. I wanted to keep this build "reasonable", other than the Quarq and Red of course. I wanted to come up with a wheelset that can be put onto the stock bike and shed a nice chunk of weight, provide a huge performance benefit, and offer the best tubeless compatibility. I've been using Stan's wheels since I started in mountain biking and have loved them ever since. This year I managed to ruin a few sets of rims, but I'm chalking it up to bad luck. From 2005-2011 I used either the 355 or Crest rim from Stan's with nary an issue. In 2012 I ruined 5 total rims. Bad luck or bad product? I don't know, but since that bad streak I'm back to pure gold with them.
Here's the beauty of the stock Crest wheelset: for $530 you get a 1575g claimed (we've measured them to be far lower, but never higher) wheelset which shaves a full pound from the stock Felt CX3R wheelset. The Crest internal rim width is 21mm vs the stock wheels roughly 17mm width, which means much better grip from your tires. If you aren't familiar with why wide rims are better, check here. The final HUGE bonus? Tubeless compatibility.
I'll cover the swap more in an upcoming post, but there is one positive that's coming close to being a negative: the wide rims have turned my Clement Crusade PDX 33 tires into a 37c monster! The grip is out of this world from a knobby 37c CX tire, but clearance is an issue. The fork is fine, tons of room. The rear seatstays are begging a 40c tire, but the clearance around the chainstays is tight with a tire this big.
The driveside chainstay on the F65x with the 33c tires and Crest rims is about 5-7mm or so. Clearance on the non-driveside chainstay is about 4mm or so. I'm fine with the clearance on the driveside until it gets really nasty, but it's close on the non-driveside. Of course, the bike comes stock with 32c tires on standard-width rims and offers ample clearance. It's not until you really push into a tire that's measuring over 37mm that clearance is even something to look at.
There are a couple of solutions to this:
1. Ride away. I gave the bike a few hard corners and a number of over-geared road sprints and never got the tire to rub. The photos make it look slightly worse than it is, but so far it's been fine.
2. Run a 32c tire. There are plenty out there, but the PDX is a favorite of mine.
3. Stan's probably has the best solution, the Iron Cross wheelset. Coming in about a mm more narrow, I think that'll offer the breathing room to make me feel just fine about running this wheel/tire combo on this frame. Plus, the name Iron Cross is just so damned good, you know!?
Tubeless setup with the Clement PDX, though not necessarily endorsed by Clement, was a breeze. Literally, mount one side of the tire, toss some sealant in, mount the other side, inflate. It was as fast as installing a tire with a tube. Now you can run lower pressure without worrying about a pinch-flat, get better traction, and severely reduce the likelihood of a flat.
There you have it. Disc CX is here and it's awesome. Review on the performance from the brakes and the wheels are coming soon. Until then, act now and get a disc CX bike. Before you know it manufacturers will have tons of wheel options for tubeless and tubular, the brake options will be plenty, and you'll wonder why we didn't make the transition sooner.....damn you UCI!
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